John Angelmo wrote:
> Carl Moberg wrote:
>> And where is the ROI for Telia? How would you go about to try
>> and make money out of flat-rate ADSL connections? Don't forget
>> that practically all ISPs in sweden are dumping their connections
>> (selling the product with loss).
> ROI isn't added with the VLAS ;)
It is actually.
> Telia has a flatrate system today.
There are other sources of income than the end-users monthly pay.
> Having a system based on recieved Mbytes dosn't work since no one want's
> to pay for possible DoS/DDoS attacks.
This is one of the problems with billing based on network resources
> ROI is added whey you have a simple system for the end user, then you
> would have less support calls, IP-phones, Internetaware TVboxes and
> other stuff could be easily added without the need to modify them for
> the VLAS login system
No, this is how you *remove* all possibilities of ROI. Which company
do you think have made the most revenue out of the Internet; Telia
or Yahoo!. Which company do you think have invested more?
> One other funny thing is that you could send a HTML mail with a frame
> that inclues the logoutscript in telia login1.telia.com and suddenly the
> telia ComHem/ADSL/HomeRun user reading that mail would be logged out.
> I tesed it a year ago and it worked, perhaps it's fixed now.
Is that a problem related to HTML-mail clients or Telia?
>> > If Telia would have launched their ADSL service with a simpler
>> system we
>> > wouldn't have the problem with NAT that exists today, since Telia has
>> > 80% of the ADSL market
>> I think (ok, know) that NAT is optional in the current system and the
>> reason that many ISPs use NATs are that they are easy to roll
>> out (no IP configuration on the customer facing interfaces),
>> and that RIPE don't like public IP-addresses unless they're
>> explicitliy needed. Not saying that I like this.
> NAT is something that the user adds since more and more ppl have more
> then one computer in their homes, NAT causes trouble with services and
> perhaps future ISP related services.
I didn't quite follow the first point but I definitely agree
with you on the second.