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Re: Tsunami fishes

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mbuckhorn <[log in to unmask]>

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Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:22:16 -0800

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I do not doubt that there are oceanographic processes that would transport
animals that normally exist at great depth to shore, let alone anomalies
such as tsunamais that would do the same. This has been demonstrated many
times throughout history where mystery animals have washed ashore or have
been hauled aboard ships that were trauling nearshore that turned out to be
deep water species.

The mechanism by which deep sea creatures may be brought to shallow waters
or to shore was not debunked. The point was that photos connected with the
email claiming these were organisms brought ashore by the actual tsunamai of
December 2004 were from another source that was conducting scientific
surveys well before the tsunamai.
    ,,///;, Michele Buckhorn
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Trevor J. Kenchington" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: Tsunami fishes


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> If the rumour is false, it is false. (The suggestion that the species in
> question were unknown to science is laughable, of course.)
>
> But is the claimed phenomenon improbable? There is a published report of
> water from the depths (few hundred metres) where those species occur
> being raised onto the continental shelf by the low-frequency wave
> generated by a storm passing over the Great Australian Bight. [The
> report was published in AJMFR circa 1986 but I would have trouble
> tracking down authors and page numbers.] I don't claim to understand the
> physical mechanism, though I have seen it demonstrated in a tank. It has
> something to do with a wave, in passing from deep water to shallow,
> creating an intense movement of water up and down the steep slope
> between and very close to the seabed of the slope.
>
> Would a tsunami have the right frequency and amplitude to have that
> effect? Would the water movement be such as to carry fish along with it?
> I have no idea but I'd not dismiss the possibility unless somebody with
> a solid understanding of the physics said that it couldn't happen.
>
>
> Trevor Kenchington
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> Michele Buckhorn wrote:
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> > It's false. Certainly not the most scientific source but it's been
debunked
> >
> > http://www.snopes.com/photos/tsunami/creature.asp
> >
> > and the original source of the photos are here
> >
> > http://www.oceans.gov.au/norfanz/CreatureFeature.htm
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