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Subject: Re: FISH-SCI Digest - 11 Jul 2006 to 12 Jul 2006 (#2006-113) - [S C: 8% -- Scanned(Spam_Server)]
From: Julian Swarbrick <[log in to unmask]>
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Date:Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:51:08 +0100
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Hello - apologies for writing directly to the list BUT...

I have been trying to unsubscribe ffrom the Fish-Sci list without success.
I need to do this now as I am leaving my current position.
The automatic unsubscribe procedure doesn't work.
Writing directly to the list owner doesn't work.
Either there are some serious system error or you have your spam filters set
so tightly that I cannot legitimately write to you.

Either way, please remove my subscrition to your list.

Thank you.

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There are 3 messages totalling 234 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. ADMIN: rejectected postings
  2. Pickerel specimens wanted
  3. Gulf Council seeks proposals for ecosystem modeling using Ecosism

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Date:    Wed, 12 Jul 2006 17:11:42 +0100
From:    Bill Silvert <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: ADMIN: rejectected postings

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As one of the list owners I just approved the following posting. I don't
know why it was sent ot the owners for approval, but it is worth reminding
list members that among all the spam we do have some legitimate messages
bounced to the owners for approval, and if your posting does not appear it
may have been bounced to us and then rejected with the spam. Do not assume
that your message has been posted until you actually see it in your inbox!

Also, do not reply to messages like this, unless you want to address the
entire list. Send your personal reply to the poster or to one of the
addresses in the message.

And if you do reply to the post, do not include attachments, as they will be
deleted.

Although we try to check all bounced postings, the volume is so large that
we miss many and delete them witout checking. In particular, postings where
the subject is in a foreign script (Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Hebrew) are
almost automatically rejected. Other non-English postings may occasionally
be accepted, but English is the main language of hths list.

Bill Silvert
List co-owner

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> We are looking for any recent or future collections of pickerel (any
> species) from any and all locations for a hybridization study.  We 
> require either a whole, frozen specimen or a tissue sample and the 
> preserved specimen.
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> If you are able to help us, please contact Dr. Terry Grande
> ([log in to unmask]) for arrangements.
>
> Thank you!
>
> -Janelle Morano
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Date:    Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:39:36 -0500
From:    Janelle Morano <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Pickerel specimens wanted

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We are looking for any recent or future collections of pickerel (any
species) from any and all locations for a hybridization study.  We require
either a whole, frozen specimen or a tissue sample and the preserved
specimen.

If you are able to help us, please contact Dr. Terry Grande
([log in to unmask]) for arrangements.

Thank you!

-Janelle Morano
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Date:    Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:27:47 -0500
From:    Randy E Edwards <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Gulf Council seeks proposals for ecosystem modeling using
Ecosism

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Bill Silvert's comments should be viewed as a very valuable contribution to
a larger discussion of ecosystem based fishery management and the present
feasibility of jumping into a modelling mode for Gulf of Mexico fisheries.

I urge everyone to look at the link (
http://bill.silvert.org/pdf/ECOPATH%20Report.pdf) on Bill's web page.  It
should be required reading for all members of the Gulf Council (SSC and
Council members/staff).  It is a very enlightening article.  I think Bill
was being modest in the way he offhandedly referred to that work.

The discussion might also be enhanced if Carl Walters and Behzad Mahmoudi
would address some of the conclusions of the aforementioned article with
regard feasibility of modelling entire large fisheries using Ecopath
specifically, and using modelling in general.  They may have some valuable
counterpoints to offer to the discussion.  I, like most, am trying to keep
an open mind and can use as much enlightenment as can be given.

However, many of the conclusions reservations in the Silvert article are
completely consistent with most reactions from fish ecologists to the idea
of developing and using models of large Gulf of Mexico fisheries for fishery
management purposes.  So many of the ecological factors and 
interactions are still unknown or poorly understood.   Energetic models 
that do not address demography and population structure and growth can
hardly be expected to be realistic.  Models that do not assess spatial
considerations but instead lump all individuals of each species into a
common compartment are similarly unlikely to be more than of pedagogic use.

The Gulf Council should be commended for moving forward into ecosystem based
fishery management, and ultimately that is where fishery management must
move, in my humble opinion.  However, the Gulf Council might benefit from
taking a deep breath and getting broad and diversified opinions about
modeling and its present potential.

Probably the issue of most practical importance to the Gulf Council and US
marine fisheries in general with regard to ecosystem based fishery
management is the reauthorization of the Magnuson Stevens Act that in its
recently passed House and Senate versions has sidestepped ecosystem based
fishery management by "allowing" but not mandating it.  Imagine how
effective the original Magnuson Act would have been if it had "allowed" 
but not mandated the councils to stop overfishing. 

I am not sure if there is any practical hope of improving the Senate version
(S. 2012) at this stage.  Most observers are just hoping that the Senate
version prevails over Rep. Pombo's House bill (HR 5018).  I have been amazed
at how little discussion of this important reauthorization has come from
fishery scientists and conservation organizations during the last year.
There has been a little "buzz" lately, but it is probably too little too
late and akin to closing the barn door after the horse has escaped -- given
that all that is left is to reconcile the two versions. 
Oh well, we can get it right in ten more years.

Randy

Randy E. Edwards, Ph.D.
Research Associate Professor

University of South Florida
Department of Environmental Science, Policy, and Geography USGS Center For
Coastal & Watershed Studies 600 Fourth Street South St. Petersburg, FL
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Wow, they really have it backwards. They should start by looking at 
ecosystem modelling and then ask whether Ecosim fills the bill. I did some 

investigations of the North Sea with Ecosim and it really produces 
ridiculous results (www.bill.silvert.org/pdf, go to the bottom of the page 

for the Ecosim stuff).

Bill Silvert


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From: "Steven Atran" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 2:15 PM
Subject: Gulf Council seeks proposals for ecosystem modeling using Ecosism


> The Gulf of Mexico Fishery Management Council is seeking proposals from 
> qualified and experienced contractors to develop models based on Ecosim 
to 
> demonstrate the feasibility of using ecosystem modeling as a tool to 
> address fishery management issues of interest in the Gulf of Mexico 
> fisheries.  Issues of interest include: 

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